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I hate watermarks Stamp 1 by anniemae04 I hate watermarks Stamp 1 by anniemae04
Ok I think this is a simple 1st stamp, done really quickly too. The opinion isn't too forceful because it's for people who see the importance of watermarks, but hate when they take up the WHOLE picture or are sticking so blatently in the middle of the picture blocking out the detail.

Don't give me your griefs about art theft and copyright problems. Not all of us are art theves and resepect the copyright laws, but how can we enjoy your work, or see it's vaule when there is a big fat © symble in the middle of it all. People know you drew that picture, and people will get those hosters or stealers to take the picture off. Trust that the system will work and just make it a nice small water mark stuck in the corner or somewhere that isn't in the way.

Think about your art being stolen in a better light though, it means your artwork is good enough to steal, people want to be you and enjoy your talent. In a way it's free publicity. It's never a good thing to have your art stolen but most stealers are too lazy to photomanip the copyright information off anyway. So your art will get it's recognition and will be directed back to you. And I think you signed a non official contract that says "If you host your art on-line, in a free gallery, that's the biggest art community on the net, people will take it your artwork and show it around." If you don't want people stealing your art, just take it off.
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HUANGXUELI Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014
I'm planning to reduce that use. ^^;
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Lena9016 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2014  Student General Artist
It's not like a watermark would protect you, even if it's super big and EXTREMELY noticeable. I absolutely LOVE seeing artists with huge ass watermarks throwing tantrums when they find out someone used Photoshop and traced over it all.
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Cpr-Covet Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Student General Artist
I've had my art stolen, and made fun of on sites. So they don't necessarily steal because its good..
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Student Digital Artist
"People know you drew that picture, and people will get those hosters or stealers to take the picture off. Trust that the system will work and just make it a nice small water mark stuck in the corner or somewhere that isn't in the way."

I find this logic a bit laughable. I don't know if you have noticed, but the 'system', and I don't just mean DA, is often considerably lazy on matters such as these. Of course large watermarks are distracting, that's why you should adjust the transparency. But you are saying that those who have had their art stolen should just lay back, report, and expect everything to just be sunshine and rainbows after a few days. It'd be a very different world if things worked that way.
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anniemae04 Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I've had nothing but rainbows and sunshine when I've reported art stolen...Sorry to those who haven't but it'd be more effective to make your own watermark then use DA's.
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I wish more of us had that luck. :/ It gets worse when your work is stolen outside of DA.
Yes, it is. DA's watermark has a reputation of ruining pictures, and it focuses more on the giant DA symbol than the name of the actual user anyway. Which is very annoying to see slapped on artwork and makes the artist look lazy.
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anniemae04 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
There are plenty of other ways to protect your art then pasting some crazy watermark all over it that distracts from the picture composition. If you're that paranoid about your artwork being stolen, then don't make it public on the internet.

I've heard of FAR worse cases where a watermark couldn't save the picture or file from being used improperly. It was obviously their work, they could prove they created it and the company who stole it took it and used it to make lots of money off of without his permission. AND YET they still refused to stop selling it even after he requested them to pull it. In cases like that I can only say get a lawyer, not a watermark. (I think he finally got them to pull the design off from their website, but he had to fight with them).
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I hope you realize that from my previous comment that I was actually agreeing with you on the subject of the DA watermark. I stated that yes, it is in fact more effective to make your own watermark rather than use the default given by DeviantArt. With that clarified I do not feel the need to answer to the last sentence of your first paragraph since it is no longer relevant.

Of course the watermark doesn't always save the picture, but the point is that it discourages theft. Are watermarks usually pretty? Not usually, although I have seen some nicer looking ones. Do they mess up the composition? Yes, even at low opacity it is still little distracting, unless you find a way to incorporate the watermark artistically (Which I actually have seen, it's very interesting) into your work. But does it discourage art theft? Yes, in some cases it does.

In the end it really depends on what length you want to go to protect your work. If you don't want to mess with the picture by including the watermark that is perfectly fine, it simply means that it could and may possibly be open to art theft, which I know from experience can happen to the most unsuspecting of people. Also with a case of theft that you brought up, the watermark would be useless at that point anyway, regardless if it had one to begin with or not. I fail to see the point.

What you are saying is that it doesn't matter because the watermark will not stop anything, which can be true in some cases. Sometimes it discourages thieves, sometimes it doesn't. You don't have to have a watermark, that is not my argument. I state merely that yes, watermarks in fact do sometimes discourage art theft. I am in no way claiming that watermarks are the perfect solution to prevent art theft; that would be ridiculous.
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anniemae04 Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Well then this is a stamp made that some people have that feeling that Watermarks over crowd the image, and if you HAVE to use them...make it small. My opinions about it are mine, but the stamp can be interpreted in a certain way that is to discourage artists from covering up the image with a large nasty watermark just to prevent art theft.
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AggroVolken Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Good luck convincing the majority of DA to do that.
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Northern-Malagon Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2012
I say suck it up? maybe you don't mind your stuff being stolen but... with a small water mark its easy to remove, that's why it IS large and in the middle. Just make it more transparent then not. And I don't accept sugar coating the bad by saying "well then it was good enough to take."
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AggroVolken Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh my god, THANK YOU! Finally someone with a brain!
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Northern-Malagon Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2012
HAHA your welcome. I just dont see the point in why people think stealing is ok because the others "think its good enough to steal." Its like me going into a store and taking a tv and saying to the company "Well...I just love it so much which is why I took it." And them being "Oh that's fine then, have a nice day!"
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AggroVolken Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Pretty much. Personally, I am just sick of people complaining about watermarks. Had that happen on my old account and a couple of users bitched about the watermarks I had on my drawings. It wasn't even that big and was transparent as all hell. Hell, one of them told me that I should take the watermark off so people could appreciate it more. In response, all I had to say was:

"If people were truly appreciative of my work, then they would act as a true enthusiast and use that artistic eye of theirs to look past the watermarks. It is really, not that hard...people just do not want to put up the effort. In addition to that, they would aknowledge the fact that I, the artist who spent countless dollars on supplies and time needed to make it, is willing to protect it in any way possible, even if it means placing a transparent mark on it."
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Northern-Malagon Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2012
looks at you...nods and hugs* You...are perfect. that is SO true. Yes. The only reason one would bitch about water marks is A: they want to trace, take or copy the piece or B: they are a child who just wants it their way all the time. Thats how I see it.
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AggroVolken Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:nod:
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I never saw the real purpose of watermarks. I mean if you wanna avoid people taking credit for your art just sign it it isn't really that hard. A small signature in the corner is more than enough to say "hey this is my art piece back off"
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pyradragon Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012
Forgot to add. Has anyone noticed that some of the drawings that are heavily watermarked aren't worth stealing, anyway? Just sayin.
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pyradragon Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2012
LOl. Or at least make them look good. I don't really like th DA watermark people put on there draings. It's just so big and ugly.
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tigr3ss Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
I like when the watermarks are so big you can't really decipher them anyway - self defeating! A small, readable stamp in a corner is much more clever :B
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Student Digital Artist
And those stamps in the corner can also be removed with the crop tool.

Self defeating corner watermark is self defeating.
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tigr3ss Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Look, if someone wants to steal, they will work around whatever you do.

Instead, if you tag your art in a pretty way, normal, non-thieving people who just save it can recognize it and backtrack the source - even if its reposted. Then it'll be your business card, travelling the internets promoting you.

But then, I don't know if you even distinguish between malicious art theft, and art reposting.
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Of course they will, with tools like photoshop and the like, thieves with enough talent can get away with just about anything. In the end there is no absolute way of stopping it, but isn't it better to at least attempt to prevent theft? Yes big watermarks are ugly, but they can be toned down or even artistically integrated into the artwork. I find it odd that there are not many who have done that already. When I say watermark I mean marks put on the centerpiece of the work, and not on the side.

I was merely stating that a stamp in the corner of a picture is not very efficient in preventing art theft, and therefore self-defeating as a prevention. The tagging you mentioned works brilliantly when the artwork is re-posted without malicious intent, but I was not referring to those instances.
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tigr3ss Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
What is this malicious intent anyway? Is someone printing your art on t-shirts? Because I don't think this is what is actually happening to most people. I think folks fall into categories;

- artists who have legitimately been ripped off and lost income, jobs or had their identity stolen, or have been persistently harassed or defamed with their own art.
- artists who hate seeing their art reposted and shared and consider this theft. I used to feel this way, so I know there can be a few different motivations behind that.
- artists who are lenient with this as long as no profits are lost (like *anniemae04 who posted this), which is how I feel now.
- artists who really don't care, either because it gets their art out more, or because they only wanted to draw it and then they were done, the end.

The last 2 represent a range that feel maybe the image's composition and expression is more important than whether it is safely tethered to their deviantArt account. I don't see many professional artists prioritise like this, I see them tag a readable identification onto their image, because they know they get jobs this way. To people of this mindset, saying thieves can just crop the corner off is akin to saying, why should I give out business cards, someone might throw them away anyway.
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Rhavencroft Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Student Digital Artist
By malicious intent, I meant the re-posting of artwork where the poster claims that the artwork is theirs, and not the work of the original artist. Forgive me for not clarifying what I meant by malicious intent. Re-posting and sharing art is not malicious unless the poster, as stated above, is claiming the artwork.

I never said that tagging should be dismissed completely, only that it did not serve as a very efficient way of preventing art theft. As I said in the comment before, tagging works fine. It appears from the last part of your comment that I have given the impression that I am against small identifications completely, when I am attempting to state only that tagging is not a very efficient means of stopping art theft, and only serves the purpose of identifying you, but still can be easily removed by thieves. By art theft, I mean the poster claiming the artwork as his/her own work, or printing it, or selling it, or tracing it and posting as own, without the artists permission. I have had my art traced and re-posted once before, outside of DA, and I do consider that to be theft.

From your original comment, it had appeared that you where saying that the identification stamps/tags where a better means of preventing art theft than a watermark, and that is why I countered.
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CureLovelyWarrior Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011
I only take stuff to use in my games, and because I really like it. So its out of respect, not disrespect. And a watermark would make it hard for me to use it.
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RabidLeroy Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2011  Student General Artist
I only go for the barely-visible watermarks - 2% opacity, so they won't blatantly appear right on the artwork. Watermarks are acceptable, but with regards to viewer's choice, there are times when watermarks shouldn't interfere with the work. A small signature in the corner is sufficient.
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washhaway Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2011   General Artist
100% agreed
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Fernsway Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2011  Student Digital Artist
too add on, if you dont make your watermark small, atleast make it transparent XP
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TheChibiDesu Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
So true. Watermarks are great and all but when people plaster it over their piece, it's too far, and it really is a turn off for me. I don't understand why people would post their art here if they cared that much about it being stolen.
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Patty-Hime-Sama Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
The day I put a watermark on my pictures is the day they're worth putting a watermark on them. Or stolen. Which ever comes first. :P
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Dark-Scratcher Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2010
Art is posted online just to be seen. Unless it's not stock, of course :)
And it's the fault of human nature that everything can be stolen :cry:

>>> People know you drew that picture, and people will get those hosters or stealers to take the picture off

Not always :no:

>>> And I think you signed a non official contract...

I understand the risk, so I signed this one instead: :iconcreditsstamp1plz::iconcreditsstamp2plz:


If everyone was fair and gave proper credits, nobody had to use watermarks.

At least, if "thief" has removed big watermark from the middle of the picture, artist has valid reason to make "thief" feel really uncomfortable :XD:

p.s.
I've seen two awesome posters with awesome art, but there are no watermarks/no signatures and I (not only I ) can't find any info about artists :|
Those works seem to be done for commercial purpose - so either artists were so dumb to leave their art unsigned (though I highly doubt... :shrug: Maybe watermarks just were too small ;p ) or professional "thief" removed their watermarks.
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Zelgadis-Gabriev Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2010
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imokurnot Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2010
some one stole my art once.. then they sobered up and realized it sucked, they tried to give it back but I made them keep it as punishment.
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anniemae04 Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
Good going. XD
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imokurnot Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2010
some times it pays to suck.
I use water marks but I stick them off to the side... I have to use them cos sometimes I forget who I am.
Have a great evening.
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StraightLife Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2010
I thought I was the only one ...
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Tori-516 Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I guess that's fair. What I actually do is put fat watermarks on my deviations but I always keep non-watermarked versions of everything for myself! :mwahaha: I also make the images smaller, but hey to each his/her own.
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ButtonandLace Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2010
Seriously. Because I can't friggn' see!
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bruised--vein Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2010
you are so right
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Suu999 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Way ta go. :heart:
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DisastrousBunny Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Someone took photo's of my sister, and removed the copyright and uploaded it to another website in their private gallery, pretending it was them. My sister saw the photo's on this website before the girl had made the galleries private, so I don't know if she was able to report it or not.
I think she uses the deviantART watermark feature now though, because of that girl.
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Gryphonia Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2009
Agreed 100 % :thumbsup:
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CherryRaven Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2009   Digital Artist
oh well, these watermarks have their sense.
i mean there are also other sites than deviantART ~__~
and not everybody here knows who drew what D:
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Redd23 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2009
I DONT Agree.
This'll help art theives get away with theft
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Kaffles Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2009  Student General Artist
...or better yet, don't watermark it at all, damn it. :shakefist:

Seriously though, thank you so very much for making this stamp - this is an issue I feel very, very strongly about. I wish people would get it through their heads that art "theft" is a COMPLIMENT - how spreading a person's work around and letting it be seen by more people came to be percieved as a negative thing is beyond me. It's not that I condone not giving credit where credit is due either, but I'd MUCH prefer that to completely taking the fun out of my art for myself and everyone else over something so petty and completely unavoidable.

It's for that reason that I will never, ever watermark my art, even if anyone ever does like it enough to give it the compliment of so-called "theft."

Watermarking art anywhere but neatly tucked away in the corner is like explaining a joke, and...
"Explaining a joke is like dissecting a frog: you understand it better, but the frog dies in the process." --Mark Twain

...sorry for the rant. :blushes: It's just that you brought a lot of my seldom-expressed feelings to the surface, and for that you deserve a fave.
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katyto Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2009
hahahah totally agree with this
I hate when I see an spectacular work and then when I enter to it to see it with details theres this big huge thing in the middle of the girl or guy-face/picture/thing/etc and I cant see anything, is totally irritating.
however I understand it perfectly that artist want to protect their art after all is theirs and not becouse it is in the net it means it can be used by anyone, even though is true post something in the net and is more probable that if it is good it will be stole or comented or used and its more likely they wont even remember that is yours U_U
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ShadingWolf Featured By Owner Apr 7, 2009   Digital Artist
u r really right
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KanDYtheHedgeHog Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2009
Yeah,I'm not going to do the DA watermarks anymore,I'm instead just going to make a very small one and stick it in the corner of the picture.
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andshedreamed Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2008  Student Photographer
I agree with this.
And yet I don't.

Yes , HUGE watermarks look incredibly ugly and you can't see the picture at all.

But sometimes , some artists have to. I heard a girl on here had her picture copied onto a T-Shirt in Brazil without her permission. Her artwork gets put onto Photobucket , MySpace , etc. So sometimes , if your art is really good , you have to abuse it with copyrights. :/
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